tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post5436533418625651510..comments2023-11-11T00:38:40.427-08:00Comments on Better Chess Training: Revisiting the Game Analysis ProcessAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05909433338448836005noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-21816983807665130072017-05-02T13:43:24.681-07:002017-05-02T13:43:24.681-07:00Thank you, Robert. I always appreciate your contri...Thank you, Robert. I always appreciate your contributions. I don't intend for this site to be a personal journal of my own improvement, rather a resource for others...however, sometimes it is helpful to share of one's own journey as well. Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-84271378913665706682017-05-02T12:53:33.264-07:002017-05-02T12:53:33.264-07:00Sure, feel free to contact me at nate dot solon at...Sure, feel free to contact me at nate dot solon at gmail dot comNatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13994885626723945768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-65612851051310561652017-05-02T10:46:31.946-07:002017-05-02T10:46:31.946-07:00This is definitely a tricky aspect which is why I ...This is definitely a tricky aspect which is why I tried to be cautious in my treatment of it in the videos. <br /><br />I've tried to cut it out quite a bit in my own analysis partly because I've noticed that I've become a little dependent on it a couple years ago. <br /><br />However, I do think they have their place. The question is whether an individual player knows when and how to use one to best effect. <br /><br />This perhaps is a topic for another article perhaps. Would you be interested in a little interview/discuss about it for a future article, Nate?Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-74192021733785625762017-05-02T08:43:10.112-07:002017-05-02T08:43:10.112-07:00Whether (or how) to use computers in analysis is s...Whether (or how) to use computers in analysis is something I've been struggling a lot with lately. Currently, I advise my students not to use computers at all, but I'm not too confident in that.<br /><br />My rationale starts with the question, What's the purpose of analysis? It seems to me the purpose must be to improve our in-game decision making. Viewed through that lens, computers aren't necessarily very helpful. If our goal were to know with a high degree of certainty which moves in our PAST games were mistakes, computers would work pretty well for that, but that's not really what we're going for. We want to know how to make better decisions in our FUTURE games. And having the engine on encourages us to shut off our thought process for doing that.<br /><br />So that's basically my argument against using computers. It's better to practice your own decision-making, even if it's flawed, than to short-circuit it by just looking at computer moves.<br /><br />I think the idea of people who use computers in their analysis is they will get the right moves from the computer, reconstruct the logic behind them, and implement it into their decision-making process. In my experience though this is highly unrealistic.<br /><br />Nonetheless, I've noticed computers do give something very valuable in analysis: a sense of resolution/completion, i.e., we know more now than when we started. A big problem with analysis for players who aren't already very strong is, the moment you dive in, you get into a thicket of confusing variations that seem impossible to analyze. Even if you spend hours analyzing a game, you may feel no closer to understanding it. This is very demoralizing and may cause someone to stop analyzing altogether.<br /><br />This is a real problem, but I think the sense of resolution you get from a computer is largely illusory, or at least not very helpful for improving. Possibly a better solution is to prepare your analysis as a presentation to a friend or coach. Then there is an end to it, even if it's not perfect, and you can receive a critique on what you've done.<br /><br />That's where I'm at right now, but I think this is one of the trickiest parts about trying to improve at chess.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13994885626723945768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-75592754446043653072017-05-02T06:12:57.851-07:002017-05-02T06:12:57.851-07:00Bryan,
I forgot to point out something that MAY h...Bryan,<br /><br />I forgot to point out something that MAY have been obvious in my comments.<br /><br />I tried to capture YOUR thoughts as closely as possible to what you commented. I did synopsize them somewhat in places. <b>I think there is much more "food for thought" for your improvement in your own comments</b> rather than any of my general observations. <br /><br />I certainly do appreciate your intellectual honesty and willingness to suffer the "slings and arrows of outrageous commentary" in order to improve! In that regard, you are very much like Temposchlucker (which comparison I consider to be a great compliment - to BOTH OF YOU). It's the primary reason I enjoy reading what you both write!Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-38620196554321518362017-04-30T13:44:11.341-07:002017-04-30T13:44:11.341-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-17092248384295205042017-04-29T20:35:41.223-07:002017-04-29T20:35:41.223-07:00Thank you for your response, LinuxGuy.Thank you for your response, LinuxGuy.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-68873511886727961002017-04-29T20:18:08.867-07:002017-04-29T20:18:08.867-07:00Hi Bryan!
I also think it's helpful that you ...Hi Bryan!<br /><br />I also think it's helpful that you are so transparent with your thinking because it lets us comment on it, if nothing else. hehe.<br /><br />I don't think you should put in annotations which are subjective, which don't relate to the position at hand. I used to note whether I was hungry, full, tired, exercised or non-exercised, caffeinated or not, etc. Turns out that this misses the point. If you were hanging off a cliff with two fingers with an airplane propeller gnawing at your back and bleeding-out, it still wouldn't excuse only looking two moves ahead in a position that absolutely required looking three moves ahead, for example. hehe.<br /><br />It's more of a time-saver to be concrete, to get there as soon as you, can and list candidate moves only when you reach that mode, IMHO. <br /><br />So, in terms of playing b4 vs. e4 in the Colle, fuhgetaboutit. Most players at the top level are getting no advantage out of the their openings. That's useful for your opening prep for next time, but not central to what happened in your game/s.<br /><br />Likewise, we all have rationale's for why we got into a position, and in large part they may be based on panic and worry. The key is what you decide to do once you are in that position, not whatever crazy or non-crazy reasoning might have lead you there in the first place.<br /><br />When you stopped at a couple of positions in your video, I got really concrete with my reasoning and lines, rather quickly, while balancing the abstract ideas on a holding point in the meanwhile.<br /><br />I do agree that it's important to at least temporarily note a key concrete line that you had considered while playing. That may be more useful to you later than anything else going on at the time. In my last game the sun was in my eyes, and later my opponent and his mom stood against the window to block it. lol. Unfortunately, that had nothing to do with the problems I faced on the board and why I got there.LinuxGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15764940044950170053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-79947623032056809552017-04-29T15:07:44.065-07:002017-04-29T15:07:44.065-07:00Well, there were (and are) a few things at work. F...Well, there were (and are) a few things at work. First, I tried to give the thoughts as they came, but there is a bit that goes on between my ears that doesn't get said. That being said, that particular game (and 15 mninute games in general) I tend to play almost like blitz, so you were somewhat accurate about my playing move-to-move. <br /><br />In a way though, whether or not I got 100% of my thoughts out through the video (and future videos), what does show is instructive for my own development.<br /><br />I am a big believer in transparency, Robert. What I mean by this is that although I write about getting better at chess, I am not worried about the fact that I have a long way to go myself. My friend and coach Nigel Davies noted that my "self-honesty" is a strength and helps me to be in a position to relate advice to others as well as help me relate "with" other players.<br /><br />That being said, I appreciate you pointing out any mistakes I may have made an any apparent "thinking process" errors I may be making. Although it is not fun to make mistakes, we all need to make many of them if we are to improve!Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-5823333118435002522017-04-29T14:25:53.268-07:002017-04-29T14:25:53.268-07:00Overall, I thought you did a good job of playing a...Overall, I thought you did a good job of playing and commenting. Practice may not make perfect, but it certainly should make it more comfortable to do both at the same time. I look forward to your efforts in the future.<br /><br />I'm always hesitant to make constructive criticism of another player. So much goes on "inside" that it's not always evident or obvious as to what is really going on. I infer from your rating that playing in generalities is not your usual way of thinking.Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-84170802148906355182017-04-29T12:36:50.227-07:002017-04-29T12:36:50.227-07:00Thank you Robert for your analysis. Not to excuse ...Thank you Robert for your analysis. Not to excuse the mistakes in my play, but I found it quite difficult to play and comment at the same time and this particular time control is very fast for me. Most of my games (both online and OTB) are at least G/45 or G/60.<br /><br />Regarding the Colle...in my set-up against the King's Indian, Benoni, or Gruenfeld pawn structures, I shift my play to the queenside, as the fianchettoed bishop makes it a little harder for the characteristic Colle attack on the kingside. e3-e4 is definitely always a possibility, but with Black's characteristic pawn levers at ...c5 and ...e5, my focus i typically in making those more difficult. There are specific lines I've worked out with my coach against these set-ups, and although I am still learning them, there is a demarcation between positions where White plays ...g6 (Benoni, KID, and gruenfeld) and when he doesn't (traditional Colle posiitons after 1.d4 d5) with different strategic nuances.<br /><br />My endgame play was not very good and in subsequent analysis (some included in the third video in the series), I noted my ill-fated decisions.<br /><br />My general analysis led me to believe that the game was fairly even for the most part until I decided to play a5 at some point...there were several lines that I played out against hte computer where I lost one of my pawns on the queenside in the endgame but was able to hold because of hte bishop's mobility - these positions usually occurred after I had played f4 thought (as now my king had access to the f3 square). Again, this was very quick play for me.<br /><br />Not to make excuses, but I think being a little nervous contributed to my superficial view on a lot of the positions. I was a little mortified myself. However, some of the comments you make as well as my own observation of my play illustrated perhaps a few holes in my knowledge of this opening as well.<br /><br />You make a lot of other insightful comments that I will have to study further. As I mention several times in these videos, this particular game was not my best effort, but I had to have something to work with and the goal was to illustrate going through the game analysis process. <br /><br />Of course, I am the first to admit that I have a lot to learn and this is an example of that. <br /><br />I will be doing more videos of my play and hopefully I'll be more comfortable commenting on the fly where the play will be more representative of what I might do without commenting.<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. I hope this reply is understandable as I jumped to the middle to write a few comments after glancing at your analysis.<br /><br />Lastly, it is important for me to have humility and look to improve myself, so I appreciate you taking the time to analyze the game.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914218228584003868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-63343780160940255612017-04-29T12:06:55.963-07:002017-04-29T12:06:55.963-07:00PART IV:
My apology for the typos. I corrected th...PART IV:<br /><br />My apology for the typos. I corrected them, but somehow copied the uncorrected version into the comment block.Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-72689180246869462362017-04-29T12:00:16.722-07:002017-04-29T12:00:16.722-07:00PART III:
27. NxN (So now Black can't bring h...PART III:<br /><br />27. NxN (So now Black can't bring his Bishop back to d6.) e5 28. dxe5 (I don't mind taking this because now his d5 Pawn is weak but might not be enough for White to win but definitely gives White an edge. etaking with the Bishop is "okay for Black" but I can pin if he takes with the Knight.) Nxe5 29. Bb2 (It's not going to win material but it's not great for Black.) f6 30. Nb3 (I'll bring my Knight to d4. If I can get my Knight to c6, that will be great.) Nc4 (Surprise! Oh, I'll have to be careful.) 31. Bc3 (I'll ry to restrict his Knight to keep him away from the a4 Pawn. I also can attack with a5.) [Overlooking that a5 is protected 3:2 by Black, and also overlooking that Black wants to trade of the Bishops] Be5 (He wants to trade; do I? If I capture and he recaptures with the Pawn, I fix his Pawns.) [Not really; there is always a potential breakthrough on d4.] (Bd4? Does Nd4 pin my Knight? If he exchanges, my Bishop should be better than his Knight in the endgame.) 32. Nd4 (I can play f4 next, followed by bringing my King into play. This forces Black to make a decision.) Bxd4 33. Bxd4 (I now dominate his Knight.)(Actually, the Black Knight now dominates the White Bishop, which is somewhat restricted by his own Pawns.) Kf7 34. Kf1 (Now I can bring my King in.) Ke6 35. Ke2 My King cannot be attacked, while I can undermine his Knight. I could play Kd3, followed by e4, or play a5 - except his Knight is covering that square. It's not a won endgame for White but with Pawns on both sides, the Bishop can do quite well.) Nd6 36. g4 (? He wants to play Nf5, so I'll prevent it. I'd love to play a5 or h4.) f5 37. h3 (??? That's fine; I'll just do this.) [LOSING BY FORCE!] fxg4 38. hxg4 (Now Black can get an outside passed Pawn but I'm not too worried about that.) [This should have been "seen" BEFORE throwing the g Pawn forward!] h5! 39. gxh5 (Let's try this and analyze it later.) gxh5 40. f3 (To prevent Ne4.) Nf5 41. Bc3 (I don't want to trade the Bishop. Now I can play a5, but my main concern is stopping the h Pawn.) Kd6 42. Bb4+ (Check and push him "back".) Ke5 43. Kf2 [Overlooking that the White King cannot attack either the h Pawn or the Knight: there is a "box" {g3, g4, h4} keeping the White King at bay. Checking on c3 keeps the Black King out.] d4 (The "problem" Black has . . .) 44. exd4+ (I can contemplate coming around . . .) Kxd4 (Surprise!) [White apparently does not "see" that the Black Knight is totally dominating the White Bishop.] 45. a5 (?) (I'll force him to take because his Knight won't get back in time.) Kc4 46. axb6 axb6 (He has to take back, and then I can retreat. Unfortunately, I didn't "see" that he wins the b5 Pawn.) 47. Bf8 (Gets the Bishop out of the way.) Kxb5 48. Kg2 (I need to "attack" this Pawn.) [HOW?!? The White King is in a box of his own creation.] Kc4 49. Kh3 (Now we are fighting for a draw. Going to have to sacrifice the Bishop . . .) b5 (Finally realizes that he can't get in with the King.) 50. Kg2 b4 (I think this game went from even to losing.) 51. Kf2 (Bring the King over and see if it can help.) b3 (The Bishop can cut across and help.) 52. Ba3 Kc3 53. Ke2 (His King will be a little bit out of the action. It's probably losing.) b2 54. Bxb2+ Kxb2 55. Kf2 (I need to defend; it should be lost.) Kc3 (He can just brng his King in.) 56. f4 Kd4 57. Kf3 (If he moves his Knight. . .) Kd3 (This is the problem here.) 58. Kf2 Ke4 59. Kg2 Kxf4 60. Kh3 (My last hope here is some type of stalemate, but. . .) h4 61. Kh2 (Probably not gonna happen.) Kg4 62. Kh1 Kg3 63. Kg1 h3 64. Kh1 (Maybe he will!) Nh6 65. Kg1 Ng4 (All I have to do is take his Pawn.) 66. Kh1 Nf2+ 67. Kg1 h2+ (That pretty much should do it.) 68. Kf1 h1(Q)+ 69. Resigns<br />Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-79307502229313479982017-04-29T11:59:42.916-07:002017-04-29T11:59:42.916-07:00PART II:
Bryan Castro (bankrankbrawler) 1823 vs. ...PART II:<br /><br />Bryan Castro (bankrankbrawler) 1823 vs. seeingoa 1826 - 28 APR 2017<br /><br />1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 (A Benoni structure) 3. e3 (To keep my center) b6 4. Bd3 (I like to play the Colle with White) Bb7 5. O-O g6 6. Nbd2 Bg7 (I could play e4 here, after c3, but another idea is to set up a Stonewall formation with Ne5 because Black hasn't played the b8 Knight yet. I usually like to play that after Black has played d5. I want to play c3 first.) 7. c3 O-O 8. Re1 (with the idea of playing e4) d6 (The other idea is to attack on the Queenside with b4. Go with the b4 plan rather than e4, because there is no threat of e5. Consideration of Bb2 followed by Rc1.) 9. b4 cxb4 10. cxb4 (No tactical threats so far. I'd like to play e4 at some point, to control the center a little more.) Nbd7 (He wants to play e5. That's when I could push e4. Bb2 helps to protect e5, prevents an immediate e5 because of loss of a Pawn.) 11. Bb2 Rc1 (Qe2 is interesting here, hitting the Bb7. I don't want to play Rc1 because he takes and forces me to retake with the Queen.) 12. Qe2 Rc7 (A little worried that he will double on the c file, but he cannot get his other Rook to c8.) 13. Rac1 (Black's play is on the Queenside; must be aware of what he can do there.) RxR 14. RxR (I now have control of the c file.) Qa8 (Analysis of Ba6. If he takes Bxa6, I will have control of the c file. Rc7 may be good; Black pieces on the 7th rank are covered. If I could get my Queen behind the Rook on the c file, that would be good.) 15. Ba6 Rc8 (The c file may be fairly important; can I win control of it? My Bishop on b2 is better, so take on c8 first.) 16. RxR+ (Now sees that "this works out" because of Qc4. Stated "move to Qc5" twice, instead of Qc4. Speculation of what to do now.) QxR 17. BxB QxB 18. Qc4 (How to get my Bishop into play without allowing his Bishop to get into play?) d5 19. Qc2 (Black has now given me the e5 square.) e6 (Ideas: a4. Need another plan for my Bishop, like b5, maneuvering the Bishop to a3 and then d6. Sees Black playing Bf8. Looks at Ne5. Rejects a4 because of ... b5.) 20. b5 (Threatens Qc6, creating a passed Pawn.) Bf8 21. a4 (Bolster the b5 Pawn.) Bd6 (Contemplates e4, with Kingside attack.) 22. Qc1 (Trade off the Bishops, but that allows Black to get his Queen on the c file.) Kg7 (Black is planning for the endgame. I can bring my Knight around [to the Kingside] but it doesn't seem to do much. Bring it to b1.) 23. Nb1 (Gives Black the e4 square but gives him no penetration. Very important to keep control of the c file.) Ne4 24. Ba3 (Once I trade off the Bishop, Qc6 is important. He really can't take on a3.) Qc7 (Surprise! The position is fairly even. Does it help me to get his Bishop off the a3-f8 diagonal? I don't want to vacate the c file, so I'll take.) 25. QxQ BxQ 26. Nbd2 (Now I'm going to attack Ne4 and bring my King in. This endgame is pretty even.) [26. ... Nc3 wins the a4 Pawn. WHite cannot get his King there fast enough to trap the Knight on a4. 27. Kf1 Nxa4 and White has to figure out how to keep the Knight off c3, taking the b5 Pawn. 28. Nb1 Nb8 with 29. ... a6, freeing the Knight with an outside passed Pawn; Black is winning.] NxN <br /><br />(continued)Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7256076550910823212.post-34251649293125822812017-04-29T11:57:18.528-07:002017-04-29T11:57:18.528-07:00PART I:
Bryan,
I watched the original video and ...PART I:<br /><br />Bryan,<br /><br />I watched the original video and the subsequent two videos explaining the analysis process you use. I think your suggestions for analyzing games are excellent!<br /><br />That said, I would like to critique your play, with your permission. I realize that it's very difficult to play and comment at the same time. I also realize that there may be considerable thought going on "out of sight" that does not get commented on. If I seem harsh, I don't mean to be. I've put the gist of your comments between parentheses; my observations are between brackets.<br /><br />Overall, I got the impression that you were playing move-to-move. Very little of your time seemed to be spent on concrete analysis. A move would be made, perhaps on general principles, without investing very much time in "seeing" the consequences of your intended line of play. You also seemed to jump back and forth to whatever seemed to grab your attention on the spur of the moment. Your "plans" seemed to be extremely short range, based more on generalities rather than specifics.<br /><br />From my own experience with the Colle, I thought you erred by switching to trying to control the c file, instead of advancing e4. The e4 move doesn't give you a Kingside attack (necessarily) but it does provide for some possible breaks in the center. It also is almost essential for creating possibilities for the White Bishop when it sits on b2. Otherwise, that piece is going to be severely restricted in what it can do by the pawn chain f2-d4. With the Bishop on b2, the Zukertort idea seems more feasible. Since you acknowledged that Black normally plays on the Queensde, it didn't make sense to consent to just holding the Queenside.<br /><br />I realize that you were attempting to control the Queenside, especially the c file, but the exchange of both sets of Rooks might have made that moot. While watching the original video, I noticed the tactical shot 21. Qc6! (before Black gets his Bishop to d6). Black cannot exchange Queens without allowing the newly minted c6 Pawn to promote because the Black Knight has insufficient room to maneuver. This would have been a big accomplishment and given White much better chances than the game continuation.<br /><br />There were a couple of generalizations that I found puzzling. One was that you had the advantage throughout most of the game. At best, I think the position was mostly balanced. Black had a little more freedom of movement, especially because of the miserable White bishop. There were several times when you were surprised by Black's moves, and yet those moves seemed fairly obvious, not requiring a lot of calculation.<br /><br />Given the "bad" nature of your Bishop, I thought you were in trouble going for the endgame. I noticed you classified the Black Pawn at d5 as "weak," yet you had no way to attack it. As the endgame progressed, you thought that the Bishop was dominating the Knight, when it appeared to me to be the exact opposite. The Knight was centralized on a protected outpost, and the Bishop was just hitting "air."<br /><br />I did not understand why you went into a forced line that allowed Black to get another outside passed Pawn on the Queenside. I think you could have kept the Black King out of the position by not forcing the a4 Pawn forward.<br /><br />You didn’t seem to understand that the White King was prevented from ever attacking the Black Knight and h Pawn with the f3 Pawn in the way. The problem is that the White Bishop was needed to stop the h Pawn, and the White King was needed to stop the b Pawn. Unfortunately, due to the domination of the relevant Kingside squares by the Black Knight, there was no easy way to get the White Bishop to the Kingside. As a consequence, the White King could not leave the square of the h Pawn. The consequence was that the Bishop had to be sacrificed for the b Pawn, and the White King was stuck waiting for the inevitable execution once the Black King returned to kill the f Pawn.<br /><br />I would like very much to get your thoughts on these comments! <br /><br />Thank you!<br /><br />Robert Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427520849707914818noreply@blogger.com